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(Note I received permission from David Corn to post his piece in full.)

Received a copy of David Corn's latest brilliance. He takes NY Times columnist David Brooks to task and schools him. What David Corn did not know is that Mr. Brooks lives about 250 feet from my front door. So I took the opportunity to pen the following note, welcoming him to the neighborhood, and giving him a copy of Mr. Corn's excellent work. Here is my letter, which I dropped off tonight (Wednesday):

3 July 2007
Larry Johnson
Bethesda, MD 20817

David (Brooks),
Read your NY Times piece today and felt compelled to comment a little more in depth. You are correct in one respect, Plamegate is farce, but not in the way you imagine. The farce is that folks like you are making farfetched excuses for perjury and obstruction of justice. You piece today is dishonest on so many levels. Fortunately, David Corn’s wit and imagination provide the appropriate skewering of your nonsense. I’ve attached a copy.



Forgive my grumpiness, but I actually worked at the CIA and trained with Valerie in the Career Trainee class that entered on duty in September of 1985. Every single member of our class was undercover. Every one!

We now established beyond a doubt (see statement by CIA Director Hayden, statement by Judge Reggie Walton, and sworn statement by Patrick Fitzgerald) that Valerie was undercover and was covered by the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. If you would like to discuss this in person I will be happy to fill you in on the details. We can do it over a glass of wine if you like. You can drop by the house and I’ll show you my two Exceptional Performance Awards signed by Judge Webster.

[I ended with a personal note that, in the interest of the neighborhood I'll keep confidential]
Welcome to the neighborhood.
Best
Larry Johnson

And here is the clever post of Mr. David Corn:

A Memo for David Brooks
www.davidcorn.com

July 3, 2007

MEMORANDUM
From: Copy Desk
To: David Brooks

July 3, 2007

Mr. Brooks, our apologies. There was a snafu yesterday, and we neglected to send you the edited version of your latest column, which contained several queries from us. What appeared in today's Times was the copy you initially filed--with all those queries obviously unaddressed. Again, we apologize for the error and hope this did not cause you any trouble or embarrassment. For the record, below is the marked-up version of your column.

By DAVID BROOKS

In retrospect, Plamegate was a farce in five acts. The first four were scabrous, disgraceful and absurd. Justice only reared its head at the end.
[Powerful opening. Setting the bar high. Must be proved.]

The drama opened, as these dark comedies are wont to do, with a strutting little peacock who went by the unimaginative name of Joe Wilson.
[Pot calling kettle back, Mr. Brooks? Besides, do most "dark comedies" open with plain-named birds. Query Mr. Rich?]

Mr. Wilson claimed that his wife had nothing to do with his trip to investigate Iraqi purchases in
Niger, though that seems not to have been the case. [Chronology problem? Mr. Wilson did not "open" this "comedy" with such a claim. He began the episode by publishing an op-ed--on the very same page your column appears--that accused the administration of having "twisted" the prewar intelligence. The issue of his wife's involvement in his mission to Iraq came later.]

He claimed his trip proved
Iraq had made no such attempts, though his own report said nothing of the kind. [He did not claim his trip had "proved"--your word--the matter. He wrote that after speaking with past and present officials of Niger and "people associated with the country's uranium business," he had concluded that "it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place." (We can forward you a copy of his op-ed.) And, as you know, columnists of the Times are not fact-checked. But we would point out that in his Times op-ed, Mr. Wilson did not claim, as you state, that "his trip proved Iraq had made no such attempts" to purchase uranium. He maintained that "there's simply too much oversight over too small an industry for a sale to have transpired." And--not to belabor what might be a fact-checking issue--according to a Senate intelligence committee investigation, the report written by the CIA on Mr. Wilson's trip "described how the structure of Niger's uranium mines would make it difficult, if not impossible, for Niger to sell uranium to any rogue states."]

In short order, Wilson established himself as the charming P.T. Barnum of the National Security set, an inveterate huckster who could be counted on to wrap every actual fact in six layers of embellishment.
[An idea: explain the "actual facts" and then list the "six layers of embellishment."] His small part in the larger fiasco of the Iraq war would not have registered a micron of attention had the villain of the epic ‚ ”the vice president ‚” not exercised his unfailing talent for vindictive self-destruction. [We suggest you peruse some of the clips of that time. Mr. Wilson's op-ed and his concurrent appearance on Meet the Press generated more than a "micron of attention"--and that occurred before the vice president responded to Mr. Wilson's charges.]

Act Two opened with a cast of thousands crowding the stage, filling the air with fevered vapors and gleeful rage. Perhaps you can remember those days, when the Plame story pretended to be about the outing of an undercover C.I.A. agent.
[How can a story pretend to be something? And, if memory serves, there was indeed an outing of an undercover CIA official.] Perhaps you can remember the howls of outrage from our liberal friends, about the threat to national security, the secret White House plot to discredit its enemies. [For the reader's benefit, you might want to note Ms. Wilson's position at the time of her outing: operations chief for the Joint Task Force on Iraq, a unit of the Counterproliferation Division of theCIA's clandestine operations directorate. And you might want to note that her primary duty was overseeing covert operations designed to gather intelligence on WMDs in Iraq. Then again, you might not want to note this. Also, you seem to be suggesting there was no secret White House action to discredit Mr. Wilson. Are you aware that Mr. Libby met with Judith Miller, a former employee of this paper, and passed her classified information that he hoped would discredit Mr. Wilson? Are you aware that Mr. Libby conveyed classified information about Ms. Wilson to Ari Fleischer, then the White House press secretary, and Mr. Fleischer says he shared this information with reporters as part of an effort to undermine Mr. Wilson's charges?]

Perhaps you remember the media stakeouts of Karl Rove's driveway, the constant perp-walk photos of Rove on his way to and from the grand jury, the delirious calls from producers (The indictment is coming today! The indictment is coming today!).
[Our readers might also remember that Mr. Rove leaked to Matt Cooper, then of Time, classified information regarding Ms. Wilson's covert employment at the CIA. As Mr. Cooper noted in an email, Mr. Rove did so "on double super secret background." They might possibly also recall that Mr. Rove confirmed Ms. Wilson's status as a CIA employee for Robert Novak, the first journalist to disclose her CIA identity.]

There were media types so eager to get Rove, so artificially appalled at the thought of somebody actually leaking classified information, they were willing to forgive prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald for throwing journalists in jail.
[You cite many unnamed characters in this "dark comedy." Perhaps you ought to consider naming some of these "media types."] It was like watching a city of Ahabs getting deliriously close to the great white whale. [No one on our desk has read that classic recently. But a quick question: was Moby Dick ever suspected of having committed a crime?]

That was back when everybody thought Rove was the key leaker. But then it turned out he wasn't. Richard Armitage was, as Fitzgerald knew from the start.
[See our note above. Mr. Rove did leak to Mr. Cooper and Mr. Novak. It was only because Time held its story for several days that Mr. Novak had the "scoop" and beat out Time. Had that not happened, Mr. Rove might have won the title of chief leaker.]

By the start of Act Three, nobody cared about the outing of a C.I.A. agent.
[Nobody? We are relatively sure that the Wilsons cared, that CIA officials cared, that Mr. Fitzgerald cared, that congressional Democrats cared, and that thousands of Americans who followed this story in the media cared.] That part of the scandal disappeared. And all that was left of Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame were the creepy photos in Vanity Fair. [You might want to consider describing the photos. A blonde in a convertible might not come across as "creepy" to all.]

Act Three was the perjury act, and attention shifted to the unlikely figure of Scooter Libby.
[What is "unlikely" about a White House aide accused of lying?] As Joe Wilson was an absurd man with a plain name, Scooter Libby was a plain man with an absurd name. [What's in a name?] And the odder thing was that Libby was the only normal person in the asylum. [Have you read the sex scenes in his one novel? A girl with a bear?] People who knew him thought him discreet, honest and admirable. [We hear he was also a quiet man. Mention that?] And yet the charges were brought and the storm clouds of idiocy gathered once more. [We're not lawyers, but we do believe that there are instances when criminal charges are filed against people who other people consider admirable. You might want to explain why a special prosecutor should not file obstruction of justice charges against an official suspected of lying to investigators.]

Republicans who'd worked themselves up into a spittle-spewing rage because Bill Clinton lied under oath were appalled that anybody would bother with poor Libby over lying under oath.
[Is there a continuity issue here? Above you contend that the charge was a product of idiocy. Shouldn't that justifiably cause Republicans to be appalled?] Democrats who were outraged that Bill Clinton was hounded for something as trivial as perjury were furious that Scooter Libby might not be ruined for a crime as heinous as perjury. [You seem to be skating past the case the Democrats made: lying to the FBI during a national security investigation is different from lying about sex in a civil proceeding.] It was an orgy of shamelessness. The God of Self-Respect took sabbatical. [Any word on what the God of Thou Shall Not Lie did at this time?]

The trial and sentencing, Act Four, was, to be honest, somewhat anticlimactic. Fitzgerald, having lost all perspective, demanded Libby get a harsh sentence as punishment for crimes he had not been convicted of.
[We realize you were not in the courtroom during the trial, but news reports and transcripts show that Mr. Fitzgerald argued that committing perjury during a national security investigation was a serious matter and that a stiff sentence was warranted for that crime.] The judge, casting himself as David against Goliath, demonstrated an impressive capacity for talking about himself. [Ditto the previous remark. Again, we do not fact-check columnists for the Times, but one of us did call--merely out of curiosity--several reporters who covered the case, and they told us that Judge Reggie Walton did not cast himself as a David-type figure, nor did he talk about himself more than the average federal district court judge. You might want to reconsider a characterization not supported by actual eyewitnesses.]

And finally, yesterday, came Act Five, and a paradox. Scooter Libby emerged as the least absurd character in the entire drama, and yet he was the one who committed a crime.
[Another continuity problem? If the chief of staff to the vice president commits a crime, shouldn't there be a thorough investigation and even a rigmarole?] President Bush entered the stage like a character from another world, a world in which things make sense. [A world likeBaghdad?]

His decision to commute Libby's sentence but not erase his conviction was exactly right. It punishes him for his perjury, but not for the phantasmagorical political farce that grew to surround him. It takes away his career, but not his family.
[Fact: after Mr. Libby was indicted and resigned from Mr. Cheney's staff, he was named a fellow at the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank. The Washington Post reported that his salary is probably at least $160,000--perhaps more. Most readers would think that with such a position Mr. Libby's career was not over.]

Of course, the howlers howl. That is their assigned posture in this drama. They entered howling, they will leave howling and the only thing you can count on is their anger has been cynically manufactured from start to finish.
[Once again, continuity. If Mr. Libby did commit a crime--which you bravely acknowledge he did--then shouldn't anger be an appropriate response. Who are the howlers whose anger was "cynically manufactured"? And who did that manufacturing? Specifics would help.]

The farce is over. It has no significance. Nobody but Libby's family will remember it in a few weeks time. Everyone else will have moved on to other fiascos, other poses, fresher manias.
[Good teaser of an ending. It's as if you expect another Bush aide to be caught lying under oath.]


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The only way I could get through Bobo's column was with the annotations, but I'm not quite sure if I should thank you or not. What a freakin' creep, that Bobo.

david brooks has an assigned role as well: to be a charming face for right-wing stupidity.

every so often, though, he forgets to apply the charm, and his underlying dishonesty comes through.

why it is that the ny times thinks that opinion columnists shouldn't be fact-checked is beyond me, but it's part of why the pundit as we know him or her is a dying breed....

David Brooks belongs to the type of personality which psychologist Robert Altemeyer labels "right wing authoritarian". The most relevant characteristic in this discussion is their ability to disregard facts which challenge their world view and/or to hold contradictory ideas simultaneously without suffering any cognitive dissonance.

Their main characteristic is their belief in a hierarchical social structure lead by a strong leader. They follow this leader the way baby ducks follow the first thing they see that moves.

Arguing with such people, especially by using facts, is unproductive. It does make for some witty postings, however.

If you aren't familiar with Altemeyer's work (it was the basis for John Dean's recent book) he has written a book describing his 40+ years of work and made it available online for free.

The Authoritarians

If you want to best your opponents it is wise to understand how they think

--- Policies not Politics
Daily Landscape

A bit too coy, Mr. Corn. I think of Twain, who, in such an instance, wouldn't have pulled his punches out of paramount concern for the groundlessly polite "collegial respect" which so pollutes our "manistream" media today -- to the demotion and detriment of the truth.

Brooks is a conscious propagandist -- he knows he is repeating lies in his own conscious formulation of them. He is a lair, and he knows it. When will the media get back to telling the truth as it is, instead of coating it with the inapplicable and unacceptable truth-suffocating veneer of civility in false respect for the uncivil who constantly engage in the incivility the is lying?

In the end, your "editorial" comments on Brooks' lying leave him the opening to spin them, yet again, in pursuit of the continue deluge of lies from his corner of the right-wing lunatic fringe's favorite real estate: the cess pool.

When something smells badly, one endeavors to eliminate the odor, not merely wrinkle one's nose and endeavor to entertain its source with a "tut-tut," as if the odious odor is all within the game of reasoned civil discourse when it is plainly not. The result of fakely objective "equivalency journalism" is the enthroning of falsehood and lie on par with the truth, as if both are of equal validity, and then leaving it at that so continuing repetition and defense of the lie, which should have been demolished, is enabled.

I look at pieces like this Brooks article and your response and rather than see the particulars I see the background. I can't read these posts and articles to the end anymore. I'm tired of them. The lies that Brooks puts out are the same lies that have been put out from the start of the Plamegate treason. The obvious and truthful counters that Corn puts forth have been made over and over again for years now.

The key though is the background. I don't know how much David Corn gets paid. I doubt that it's anywhere near as much as David Brooks. I don't know how much you get paid for what you do here and on the web and on the rare occasion that you are given some real estate at a major publication. Likely not very much, if anything. So where I get tired and Corn and you work for relatively small compensation and likely not enough to be motivating factors, David Brooks will never tire. Even if he gets bored, his task is like that of any regular job. He doesn't get paid for enjoyment. He gets paid to do what he gets paid to do - write propaganda.

The irony of the Brooks situation is that he works for what is considered to be the archetypical "liberal" publication. Even though this "liberal" publication was a primary force in spreading the lies that pushed America into the disastrous (for average people - good for the well connected) Iraq war - Dick Cheney and others quoted articles from this "liberal" publication to justify pre-emptive war - it's still demonized by the "Brooks" people of America.

Brooks is an ad man. Much like a television commercial, he's paid to repeat the same lines, the same slogans, the same "brighter than bright, whiter than white," "last throes" lines that he happily repeats. Brooks gets paid a six plus figure salary to do his thing. I don't get paid to read it and though my anger may be brought to a boil, like the "Brooks Brothers rioters" (no familial relation) in Florida 2000, if I were paid a six plus figure salary to be angry, there's much more likelihood I'd maintain it.

Or, like the high priced whores these people are, I'd be able to fake the emotion and passion more convincingly.

In America today, people like David Brooks and "Scooter" Libby don't have to worry about their next meal or job security or health care. They just have to clean their blue dresses regularly.

"On July 6, 2007 - 10:56am rdf said:

"David Brooks belongs to the type of personality which psychologist Robert Altemeyer labels "right wing authoritarian"."

David Brooks is a liar. The more you complicate it the more outs you give to the liar.

"The most relevant characteristic in this discussion is their ability to disregard facts which challenge their world view and/or to hold contradictory ideas simultaneously without suffering any cognitive dissonance."

Many have said that before you. It is beyond the grasp of those who most need to understand it.

"Their main characteristic is their belief in a hierarchical social structure lead by a strong leader. They follow this leader the way baby ducks follow the first thing they see that moves."

Peaching to the choir. And I object to the comparison of serial liar Brooks with cute but honestly aggressive baby ducks.

"Arguing with such people, especially by using facts, is unproductive. It does make for some witty postings, however."

"Arguing" with such people is for the benefit of the reader. And the point is not to "argue" but summatively refute.

"If you aren't familiar with Altemeyer's work (it was the basis for John Dean's recent book) he has written a book describing his 40+ years of work and made it available online for free."

Anyone who goes back a few decades in studies of psychology know of numerous better known names who wrote eyewitness analyses of the authoritarian personality, many of those coming out of WW II. Altmeyer is not mentioned among them. Indeed, Dean had either to dig pretty hard to bypass the prominent and well known authorities (see as example [NY: Harper & Row, Publishers, 1951], Eric Hoffer) on the topic, or go to extra effort to sidestep those, in order to find the unknown Altmeyer.

The Authoritarians

"If you want to best your opponents it is wise to understand how they think."

Know that they lie. Know the facts. Directly refute the lies with the facts. The psychobabble, arguable as to whether the theory applies (does the typical follower seek a "strong" -- "authoritarian" -- "leader"? No: they seek a confidence they themselves lack), is beside-the-point falderall.

I am very concerned about the value of Larry Johnson's house now that Brooks has moved in.

Larry, did you check to make sure that the neighborhood wasn't zoned for liars before you bought?

thosethingswesay.blogspot.com

That's the way to do it. Bravo, David. Bravo Larry, for bringing it. The problem with most of the advocates for the 'right' is that they, in Mussolini's words, 'think with blood and earth'. In other words, they think with their guts. The rest of us are committed to thinking with our brains. Thinking from the gut requires no facts, no verification, no validation. Divine revelation of the truth through phantasy, dreams, tea leaves or the entrails of a young goat will suffice. David Brooks is hallucinating a vision of reality shared by many Republican nut cases for whom simple facts mean nothing.

"If you talk about it, even the simplest thing becomes complex and incomprehensible." -Herman Hesse

Damn, I wish I had the nerve to get up people's noses like that.

I'm imagining a scene similar to American Beauty taking place in this piece of suburbia.
Move, Larry, move, before it's too late!!
I know what it's like to have a Bobo live next door and it ain't pretty.

I take it you didn't read the book.

This type of research goes back to people like Adorno and Arendt, the difference is that psychological testing has progressed since the 1950's and the results gathered since then stand up to scientific scrutiny better.

Saying someone is a liar doesn't tell us much. Liars are not as dangerous as true believers, since they know the truth, but just don't care. There is always the possibility that they will feel some remorse and tell the truth. We have seen this happen in recent times, a good example being David Brock who started "Media Matters" to atone for his working for the right wing noise machine.

Perhaps what you really mean is a bullshitter - explained in the book "On Bullishit" by Henry Frankfurt. This is a person who says anything at any time as long as it serves their immediate purpose. Bill O'Reilly is this type.

Try to contribute something positive.

--- Policies not Politics
Daily Landscape

Larry, of course Plame was covert, however, you should know that no amount of factual material ever "settles" anything once the nuttier right-wing elements decide to latch onto it.

Thr right wing's whole defense used to be "she wasn't covert", now, only the troglodytes are still spewing that line. Most on the right now claim the Libby prosecution was political, obviously a political prosecution orchestrated by the people involved in the case, all Republicans.

By the way, I keep seeing MSM anchors allowing Repugs to claim Plame wasn't covert
with no corrections by the anchors.

A final thought; congratulations to David Corn for hitting back so quickly, its what is needed when wingers like Brooks spew their tripe. Its too bad Corn doesn't appear on the front pages of the NYTimes or WaPo.

rdf, a decade or so ago I saw a Sacramento TV station interviewing highschoolers about lying, and just about all the interviewees agreed that lying was ok as long as you didn't get caught.  It suggests to me that untruthing may have become part of culture, rather than the spurrous acts of individuals (who may be classified in a personality typography).  Me?  I join you and other commentors here who affirm the superiority of truth over falsehood, but I wonder if I am being hopelessly old-fashioned.  Too bad the Republicans have already claimed the "let's return to good old american values" slogan.  Come to think of it, perhaps "lying" is one of those values they are interested in.  Didn't Leo Strauss teach that it was ok to lie? 

Neoboho

The drama opened, as these dark comedies are wont to do, with a strutting little peacock who went by the unimaginative name of Joe Wilson

...and continues with a polluted stream of writing by a stagnant pool of wastewater who goes by the unimaginative name of Brooks?

I think a visit to your neighborhood by the Environmental Protection Agency is appropriate at this time.

aMike

amike, heh, heh, heh, good post :-)

I think a visit to your neighborhood by the Environmental Protection Agency is appropriate at this time.

Truly.

It's a shame about the nosedive those property values are about to take.

"President Bush entered the stage like a character from another world, a world in which things make sense."

Who would ever refer to Bush's world as a "world in which things make sense..."

Talk about "stormclouds of idiocy."

I wonder how Brooks talks about this column and his work in general with a friend or colleague who has seen Corn’s line by line demonstration of the columns dishonesty and stupidity.

I wonder if a truefriend would ever tell Brooks that he sounds like he comes from another world, a world where the truth becomes what a well paid hack says it is.

Say, isn't he "Joseph Wilson III"? At least the name has been in the family for a couple of generations.

Isn't is odd that people who have themselves altered their handles (like Amitai Etzioni -- nee Werner Falk) should be so preoccupied with the monikers of others?

Two rather undersized fellow who go by the preppie-sounding handles of "Brooks" (as in Brothers) and "Scooter" are not in much of a position to draw attention to the unremarkableness "Wilson".

Goebbels: "Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda should be true or false."

"All successful newspapers are ceaselesssly querulous and bellicose. They never defend anyone or anything if they can help it; if the job is forced upon them, they tackle it by denouncing someone or something else." H. L. Mencken (l880-1956)

It’s funny really. David Brooks looks and sounds like a conservative's stereotype of a pointed headed liberal circa 1950. I’ve always felt that when conservatives see him, this is how they see us liberals. You know, the arrogant whiney nasal I know more than you do Adelaide Stevenson wimpy type. I find it ironic and almost surreal. That a stereotype so out of touch and irrelevant can be so well embodied by man who himself is so out of touch and irrelevant.

I too wish I could be paid handsomely by a major American newspaper to write columns wherein I just make shit up.

I mean, seriously. He's not spinning the facts, he's just making it up out of whole cloth.

Whose dick did Brooks have to suck to get that gig?

Not only is Brooks making shit up... that's just lousy writing. He should enter this column in the Bulwer-Lytton Bad Writing contest.

This little piece of polemical journalism by Brooks reminds me of the fabulous science fiction novel by Phillip K Dick, called, 'The Penultimate Truth'. In the story, the masses are huddled deep underground in 'tanks'--factories where robot warriors are refurbished for the nuclear war raging across the surface of the planet, which is too radioactive to support human life. All the information a tank has about the world above is piped in through a large CRT screen that shows the images of war, the symbols of state, and the President, 'Yancy somethingorother'. But when the chief engineer of one of the tanks begins to suffer organ failure. The rest of the tank panics, and decides to send someone to the surface to find medical help. He climbs up through the ventilation shaft to the surface and finds a beautiful sunlit garden populated by the ruling class living in luxury. There is a class of illuminati known as Yance men--who write the words spoken by President Yancy--who is in reality an automaton nailed to the chair of the oval office.

David Brooks is a consumate Yance man--spinning fearful little fictions for the rest of us slaving down below in the tanks.

"If you talk about it, even the simplest thing becomes complex and incomprehensible." -Herman Hesse

Didn't Leo Strauss teach that it was ok to lie?

That would be, if you please, it is ok to myth make as long as you are a superior man and your ends are worthy. Schicklgruber did not say that any better...

What does it take, exactly, to get someone fired from the New York Times? Bad writing. Bad facts. And it's just dumb. This is the type of work that a high school newspaper would be embarrassed to publish. Apparently, the "Newspaper of Record" doesn't care.

Incidentally, this part I disagree with:

You seem to be skating past the case the Democrats made: lying to the FBI during a national security investigation is different from lying about sex in a civil proceeding.

Perjury is perjury, and our judicial system cannot allow people to lie to the court regardless of what kind of case it is. The difference between Libby and Clinton is that perjury is NOT the sort of crime which justifies impeachment. When Clinton lied, Republicans cranked the gears of a constitutional process that, due to its extremity, has gone essentially unused, but they are willing to let Libby go with very little punishment. That is the difference.

I thought it was first rate of LJ to let the liar know friends of the Wilsons with CIA ties know where he sleeps most nights. That ought to be good for his digestion.

I just bought the book. [One click!] Probably because I really liked Harlen Ellison's "A BOY and His Dog" and your description brought it to mind.

I like Hess too, near as I can remember.

Yeah, a Boy and His Dog is a great tale, albeit with a slight difference than the point Dick is trying to make--but I am reminded every time I watch my oldest son with HIS dog.

"If you talk about it, even the simplest thing becomes complex and incomprehensible." -Herman Hesse

Can we nominate him, or does he have to nominate himself?  He was talking about this on NPR with E. J. Dionne recently.  Dionne was too mild mannered to really nail him to the wall, but he got in a few good ones.

aMike

Perjury is perjury, and our judicial system cannot allow people to lie to the court regardless of what kind of case it is.
Actually, no. There is a tremendous difference not just morally but legally (i.e., in federal sentencing guidelines) between perjury for the purpose of thwarting the investigation of a crime (as in Libby's case) and perjury in which no underlying crime is even alleged (as in Clinton's).

Also, for a falsehood to be perjury, it has to be 'material' to some legal proceeding (either criminal or civil). Not everything gathered in discovery is ultimately judged to be material; even if Paula Jones' suit hadn't been thrown out, it's highly unlikely that information about a consensual affair with Monica Lewinsky would have been considered 'material' to the case. To say that Clinton committed 'perjury' is to twist the meaning of the word beyond all recognition.

that's fine. got a cite on the definition or interpretation of "material"? I mean, I see it there in the federal perjury statute, but it does not say to what the fact must be material.

My point was from a talking points perspective, namely, that there is a way to be and appear consistent without reducing or minimizing what Clinton did. To that end, I kind of don't care what the definition of perjury is, but whatever.

Corn's memo is one of the funniest things I've read in a while. Aside from being a great put-down of Brook's column, it's a great send-up of a certain kind of snarky copy-editing

Of course, in this case, the copy-editor is serving the truth (not usually the case), but the tone is just right. (I've worked at the Times.)