Why So Confident?
According to recent press reports, President Bush and Karl Rove, remain conspicuously confident about the GOP's midterm election prospects. So much so in fact that GOP insiders are puzzled and even worried about their apparent disconnection from the reality of the situation.
What's behind their cool demeanor? Denial? Bluff? Hard to believe you can lose after three straight wins? Is the fix in?
Tell us what you think.
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Going to attack Iran prior to the election, I'd bet.
October 17, 2006 8:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Diebold!!!
October 17, 2006 8:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Desperation. Pure and simple. What other attitude can they express? Graceful defeat? No.
Hope for the best? No. They are lying cowards with no shame. They are brazening it out.
Full stop.
October 17, 2006 8:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
They are both too cunning to be in denial. So I narrow it down to two choices: bluff - they know they are in a bad shape but they've had 6 years of experience that tells them talk tough and the opposition will melt away; or they've got the fix in the oven. The latter is eminently possible and scares the bejeebers out of me.
ManchesterConnection
October 17, 2006 8:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Probably a combination of tactics, including, as mf2112 implies, vote fraud and disenfranchisement, and (I think I read it here) ships massing in the Persian Gulf in preparation for some sabre rattling.
October 17, 2006 8:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
They know the fix is in. Remember 2000 and 2004?
October 17, 2006 8:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
A proven track record of being able to fool enough of the people when it really counts? Messianic complex? Disdain for polls as a product of the Liberal media, or as an inherently liberal-biased obsession with facts?
October 17, 2006 8:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Smug certitude in the face of overwhelming evidence that undermines their position? Just another day at the office for Rove and BU$H.
October 17, 2006 8:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
I just think these guys are posturing to their base. If they show concern, the base will give up and stay home.
October 17, 2006 8:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bush and Rove have to pretend they're confident, even if they aren't. Bush always "goes all-in," to borrow a trendy poker metaphor.
I also think there's an element of this (April, 2006 column by John W. Dean) at play, bold added:
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October 17, 2006 8:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's a bluff and from my observation, a pretty common political technique. Act like a winner to look like a winner to be a winner. Rove did a similar thing on election day '04 by excitedly talking on a cell phone in full view of about 20 news cameras. Granted, at that time he had reason to be excited, but I get the feeling he would have put on the same show if the news had been bad.
October 17, 2006 8:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I might believe that Bush is living in denial, but I really doubt that is true of Rove. Then what is going on? I am quite fearful that they have a plan - something like attacking Iran in the week or 10 days before the election, then using the concern about terrorist attacks on polling places (saying "we have intelligence that they plan to.") to try to force some kind of marshall law and postpone the election. If you have no election, you have no change in majority. There was a discussion of something like this in 2004 and it has never been shot down or disowned. I would expect that Alberto Gonzales can find some kind of half-assed legal logic to justify it.
Of course it is illegal. But, if Bush announced that the elections were off - not going to happen on November 7 - who would stop him, who would undo that? How? Can you imagine the military moving to remove him? But if not them, who?
Sure, it is wild speculation and I pray to god that I am wrong. It is frightening to me that I even think it is a possibility - that I can conceive of it and imgine the president of the US doing this.
Docbradd
October 17, 2006 8:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
The reports that I read (NYT) said that Rove and Bush were expecting to lose 8-10 seats but not the majority in the House. If we expect that things will close somewhat by election day, I think the safest prediction is that the House will be almost evenly split (a 12-18 seat Democratic gain). Many prognosticators are predicting that the Dems will pick up 30 seats which seems just as unlikely. Yet we don't consider them delusional. I'm no Bush supporter. But his confidence is a good reminder not to count our members of the Democratic majority before they are hatched!
October 17, 2006 8:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
They're gonna steal the election. Pure and simple. After all, it's worked every time since 2000. And they've only gotten better at it, not worse. And, if there is any possibility that plan is thwarted, they'll simply declare Martial Law and start filling the concentration camps that Halliburton has already built out west. But they probably won't have to. The election stealing scheme will work again, as usual.
"If you talk about it, even the simplest thing becomes complex and incomprehensible." -Herman Hesse
October 17, 2006 8:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
They know they can stave off loss of the Senate by redirecting money and attack ads to VA, TN, and possibly NJ. They can TRY the same tactic for holding a slim majority in the House, but even if they lose that, they can still ram SCOTUS and similar appointments through and stonewall objectionable legislation the House DOES pass. The mindset, therefore is, "Things could be worse. We could be in jail."
October 17, 2006 8:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Get ready for a barrage of unsubstantiated rumors regarding Dems & pages.
October 17, 2006 8:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure a military strike against Iran would be beneficial for the administration at this point. I would guess there would be a backlash given,what we all know, transpired prior to the Iraq invasion.
I'd be curious to know if anyone remembers how the Clinton administation was reacting when they were about to lose control of congress? Did the polls seems to reflect how badly they would lose and what were they saying in the press?
Voter suppression and electronic voter fraud gets my bet.
October 17, 2006 8:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
After reading the previous postings, I am concerned about all this talk of conspiracies to "fix" the election. Has the opposition retreated to this kind of argument? If we seriously believe that there is a conspiracy to fix the election, the Democrats (and the nation) are in serious trouble.
My guess is that the confidence shown by the White House is the only thing card they have left to play. Brazen self-confidence in the face of turning political fortunes.
October 17, 2006 8:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's Bravado. If the polls are right and they lose no one really remembers or cares about their prediction. On the other hand if they do keep control of the House and Senate they look like geniuses. They become Joe Namath in '69 or
Mark Messier in '94 guaranteeing the win.
October 17, 2006 8:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd guess that most it is bluff but...I also assume that they have a plan. In addition to their usual amazing GOTV efforts--which are under the media radar but already well under way--it seems likely that we'll see some strong smear campaigns, along the lines of the current Reid "land deal" and then a national crisis or two that include a few bombing runs.
The national GOP's GOTV effort is breathtaking and the Dems just don't have anything similar.
I've been following the sermons of various Southern preachers who are part of the Bush Team and, sure enough, they've already started including strong GOP messages in their weekly sermons. Last week, for example, the Rev.s who got the memos, focused on "moral decay", not an unusual topic of course, but they all bothered to mention Paul and include stuff along these lines: "In response to our cultural decay, many people have put their heads in the sand. That decision was exactly what alarmed the apostle Paul. He was afraid the church would ignore the coming challenge and not be able to defend itself against hostility unless it were led by people of courage and conviction. What Paul knew the church needed in his day, we need just as much today." Translation: Clinton bad, Bush good. Next week, I'm sure, they will all include stuff that ties into NK and Iran and so on. It's just amazing that they have so much of the church in their pocket and it's a brilliant way to GOTV.
Get the ministers going, toss in a strike on Iran, turn up the volume on the Wurlitzer and Viola! your base is ready vote en masse.
October 17, 2006 8:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
How, exactly, would they 'fix' 468 separate elections for Congress?
October 17, 2006 8:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I automatically assume in a story like this that the reporter is being fed spin that they know is spin, yet will regurgitate for access to the next juicy bit of spin. You'd hate to have the competition spew misinformation on the front page first.
Look, Karl is warming up the paper shredder as we speak. He didn't fly out to Ohio to tell them DeWine is on his own without soiling his pants over the latest polls. It's just typical "we're confident we're going to win" posing, mixed with psyching out the Diebold folks on the left while giving winking reassurance to the Machievellis on the right.
"Republicans, don't give up, we can still rig this thing. Dems, don't bother to vote. We've rigged this thing."
October 17, 2006 8:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
The opposition has to play their designated role in the political Theatre. Just like Alan Colmes. Any talk about election rigging opens them up to tin foil hat charges. When the polls are 90 to 10, it is hard to rig an election. But when the polls are 47 to 49--it becomes extremely easy. Our elections are easier to rob than Bank of America.
"If you talk about it, even the simplest thing becomes complex and incomprehensible." -Herman Hesse
October 17, 2006 8:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bluff. Mostly directed at their putative supporters.
I've been wondering, by the way, how well their GOTV database is gonna work this time around. Their identification techniques (by periodicals read, products consumed, etc) may break down in this environment. The may turn out voters who are fed up and disillusioned rather than on board the wingnut bus, especially those who are not registered republicans.
They've had no time to do the work to adjust the models to reflect the Foley scandal.
October 17, 2006 8:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bluff. Mostly directed at their putative supporters.
I've been wondering, by the way, how well their GOTV database is gonna work this time around. Their identification techniques (by periodicals read, products consumed, etc) may break down in this environment. The may turn out voters who are fed up and disillusioned rather than on board the wingnut bus, especially those who are not registered republicans.
They've had no time to do the work to adjust the models to reflect the Foley scandal.
October 17, 2006 8:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have to agree. Bush, Rove and to a lesser extent Mehlman are the Republican standard bearers. If they do damage control then volunteers, donors and voters will stay home.
They have to spin it positively. That's their job.
October 17, 2006 8:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe this whole idea that Bush and Rove are so confident is just so much bs. Think about it: the only people who would know this are people who are pretty loyal to the Bush administration. Maybe the spin is being made to buck up the hearts of GOP volunteers in the face of so much bad news. That's the trouble with sources that won't go on the record, there is no way for us to judge their credibility.
October 17, 2006 8:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ummm...no more delusional than saying the violence in Iraq is nothing more than a comma.
Karl Rove isn't some magical mystical political operative. He's a good one, but he still seems to think he's created a permanent majority. He hasn't
October 17, 2006 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you have to ask that question--then you have not been following the issue very closely. And anyway, they don't have to fix 468--far fewer seats are in play--many of them quite close. As I type this,there is an ad to the right that says: Election officials try to steal another Florida election. Paid for by Tim Mahoney. Anyway, do your own due diligence.
"If you talk about it, even the simplest thing becomes complex and incomprehensible." -Herman Hesse
October 17, 2006 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why, exactly would they need to fix 468 separate elections for Congress?
They wouldn't. They'd only need to fix enough of the close ones to keep their majorities. That wouldn't be easy, but it wouldn't be impossible, either.
October 17, 2006 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a programmer. The fix is in, and this is why.
1. Exit polls did not fit election results in 2004. This is flat out impossible to believe; those same exit poll operations were in danger of being shut down in the 90's because they were *too* accurate, and the western states were complaining that the preditions were so spot on that voters might be staying home instead of voting in an already decided race. Statistics don't stop working, suddenly, in contested areas only. One side doesn't just start lying to the pollsters. It can't happen.
2. Election results didn't match pre-election telephone polls in 2004. Again, impossible.
3. Documented case of media being shut out of an electronic recount in Ohio because of a "threat received from Homeland Security" that was never issued. Results in that recount swung wildly for the Republicans and Bush.
4. I'm a programmer, and I state categorically that there is no way to secure a computer system against intentional manipulation. And it seems that these machines are set up for manipulation; they weren't even trying to hide.
5. At least two attacks, one sanctioned and one independent with a machine somehow obtained from the field, showed that the machines can be manipulated so many ways, without detection, that my fingers would fall off trying to list them.
6. A very small number of people are needed to change the results. No actual human intervention at the machine or the agregator is needed. They can phone the changes in.
7. Exit polls have been discontinued because they are "inaccurate". Garbage. They are no longer being done because the exit polls will not match the coming election results. This isn't a prediction, this is a flat out statement of fact.
8. I'm guessing that someone in the Republican party is well aware of the fix, even if Bush and others are intentionally left out of the loop, and this explains why Rove is so very, very confident.
9. The Republicans will hold on to both houses, impossibly, by slim margins in the most constested areas. Recounts will be useless, as they simply feed the same doctored tabulations through the aggregators again.
10. The only evidence of the coming theft will be the results of the phone polls conducted prior to the election. Another prediction: the news outlets will discover that telephone polls don't work anymore, either.
October 17, 2006 8:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
This reminds me of Roves predictions before the 2000 election; it is going to be a landslide and they even put money and time into California... Rove believes that no matter what the polls say, you can affect the election by simply acting and talking like a winner. He gains in two ways. First by showing confidence to his base so they do show up and secondly, many people simply want to vote for the winner. If enought people can be convinced that he is going to pull this out, there are a certain number of voters that want to say they voted for the winner.... Oh, and Diebold also...
October 17, 2006 8:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's less of a bluff than it is Rove keeping up appearances for his boss. Rove has built an inpenetrable shield of lies around Bush akin to the Matrix and he knows that a collapse of that facade would risk Bush actually seeing the world for what it is. The prospect of that moment must be too awful for old Karl to contemplate.
October 17, 2006 8:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
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October 17, 2006 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
October 17, 2006 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Selectively, as best they can. This is only possible in close races and only where the machines are crooked. They cannot stop a landslide, but they could save a few.
I am not saying that they can or will, but that is what they would do if they could. It is important to fix the electoral process asap to open source coding, to neutral determination of boundary drawing, of income-neutral registration requirements, etc. We cannot be naive about this, at the very least there should be a national requirement for voters to get a copy of their vote.
global citizen
October 17, 2006 8:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I would say they're bluffing. They've done this before. Remember back in 2000, Bush and Rove went on their victory lap the week before the election claiming they had a 3-5 point margin of victory only to essentially lose the election (if it hadn't been for dumb look and the Supreme Court, instead of being hailed as a genius, Rove would either be teaching at some state university somewhere or running some senate campaign somewhere).
They might know something we don't know, but I can't see where anyone at this point would think invading Iran, even if it were feasible, would be a good election trick. The Republicans look like they're going to lose this election because of the Iraq War, so the best way to prevent that would be by invading an even more powerful version of Iraq? Does anyone really think that's a good election idea? And even if by some odd chance it would work in 2006, such a strategy would almost certainly insure the Republican Party would go the way of the Whigs and the Federalists?
At this point, barring some major, unforeseen twist in the Republicans' favor in the next few weeks, if the Democrats don't win a substantial victory in November I would say we'll have to admit the paranoid fear that the Republicans are tampering with the computer voting booths is probably correct.
One last post, why isn't anyone talking more about the fact that the Hussein verdict is going to be announced 5 November? I don't see it having much of an impact on the election, if anything it might anger voters even more by reminding them yet again about Iraq. But I still think it's signficant and I think it's interesting that no one's talking more about it. Clearly the Bush Administration must have thought the verdict would help them in the election, what do others think about this.
October 17, 2006 8:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I do believe they may be a little over confident as to what kind of margins Diebold can cover for them...without getting caught.
That beig said, as a nation we've become fat and lazy, politically complacent. If they did steal this election, do you really think Americans would rise up and do something about it? Or is that kind of involvement reserved for places like Ukraine, Mexico, and Venuzuala anymore.
Democracy indeed. Thomas Paine must be rolling over in his grave.
October 17, 2006 8:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
But in order to pull this bluff off, they have to take the same positions in internal discussions. Any expressions of concern or uncertainty will leak. It's hard to tell whether keeping a confident demeanor disrupts strategy or not--they seem to moving their money around in realistic responses to poll numbers. In most endeavors, though, an honest assessment of your position is pretty much essential to any kind of success.
October 17, 2006 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Most likely Diebold will win the election for the Reps in key districts.
For the latest on the remarkable story
of how unsecure Diebold machines are,
see this post.
Vinson Valega
Consilience Productions
New York City
October 17, 2006 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Voter suppression, Diebold, court challenges with claims of voter fraud, challenges in the HoR, rallying round the flag when they begin to bomb Iran.
October 17, 2006 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a programmer also. It astonishes me so many people in the "reality based"(I guess they believe it would damage their bona-fides as members of the "reality based" community)community refuse to believe the republicans would do this. Hell, it's easy.
October 17, 2006 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seems like a long time since we've had "major" terror arrests. I'd expect the ol' rainbow homeland security scale to be on red in about a week.
That's the only card they've got left - deflated gas prices aren't working - they'll play it up big time.
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October 17, 2006 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink